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410.10c. Leaves-play abilities trigger when a permanent leaves the in-play zone. These are written as, but aren't limited to, "When [this object] leaves play, . . ." or "Whenever [something] is put into a graveyard from play, . . . ." An ability that attempts to do something to the card that left play checks for it only in the first zone that it went to.

410.10d. Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities must be treated specially because the object with the ability may no longer be in play, may have moved to a hand or library, or may no longer be controlled by the appropriate player. The game has to "look back in time" to determine if these abilities trigger. Abilities that trigger specifically when an object leaves play, when an object is put into a hand or library from a public zone, or when a player loses control of an object will trigger based on their existence, and the appearance of objects, prior to the event rather than afterward.

420.5. The state-based effects are as follows:

420.5e. If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are in play, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.

212.6h. If an effect changes a land's subtype to one or more of the basic land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses all abilities generated from its rules text and its old land types, and it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type. Note that this doesn't remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other effects. Changing a land's subtype doesn't add or remove any card types (such as creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow) the land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land types and mana abilities.

Questa frase mi fa sorgere un dubbio... se in gioco ho una flagstone di trokair e gioco una [card]Accademia di Tolaria[/card], in gioco ho due montagne non base Leggendarie e quindi si spaccano?

Q: If I put Blood Moon into play, and there are multiple Legendary lands of different types in play, what happens?

A: Blood Moon does not change the names of non-basic lands in play. It gives the these lands the sub-type of Mountain. This means that they will lose their other abilities and gain the ability to generate red mana. However, they will keep their legendary status and their normal names. So any Legendary lands in play will remain in play.

Autore:	Stefano [ lun 28 dic 2009, 1:12 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:	Flagstone of Trokair e Blood Moon
Salve, ho in gioco una [card]Flagstone of Trokair[/card] e una [card]Blood Moon[/card]. Se gioco un'altra Flagstone of Trokair: 1) Ho due montagne in gioco 2) Non ho più terre in gioco perchè le Flagstone vengono messe nei cimiteri in quanto leggendarie Grazie delle risposte Stefano

Autore:	loifer [ lun 28 dic 2009, 1:19 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:
in attesa di essere contraddetto o rincuorato, la cosa dovrebbe essere così: in quella situazione controlli quelle che potremmo chiamare 2 "montagne leggendarie", quindi daranno mana rosso e si spaccheranno quando ce ne saranno 2 in gioco[s] facendoti cercare la pianura...[/s] EDIT by Kalle: quasi.

Autore:	kikkofrio [ lun 28 dic 2009, 1:26 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:
[s]A rigor di logica, sono 2 montagne. Punto. Non si spaccano finché c'è la luna in gioco. Come la città dei traditori non si spacca anche se giochi un altra terra con la luna in gioco. Se la luna se ne và, allora è un altro discorso.[/s] EDIT by Kalle: palo.

Autore:	I_have_a_bad_feeling [ lun 28 dic 2009, 3:00 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:
No, la blood moon non influenza il supertipo, cioè il fatto che siano leggendarie. Una flagstone di trokair sotto moon effect è una montagna non base Leggendaria. Quando entra una seconda flagstone, le due terre si distruggono in quanto leggendarie. Essendoci luna in gioco le innescate NON si attivano e quindi non cerchi le pianure. Detto in 4 parole, sotto luna due trokair si slandano senza complimenti... Sciao EDIT : @ Kikko : la città dei traditori NON è leggendaria, ha un'abilità scritta nel suo testo che viene oscurata dalla luna. Per questo non si spacca.

Autore:	dreax [ lun 28 dic 2009, 9:52 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:
I_have_a_bad_feeling ha scritto: ...sotto moon effect è una montagna non base Leggendaria. Questa frase mi fa sorgere un dubbio... se in gioco ho una flagstone di trokair e gioco una [card]Accademia di Tolaria[/card], in gioco ho due montagne non base Leggendarie e quindi si spaccano?

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Autore:	Ivanhoe de Faerie [ lun 28 dic 2009, 9:59 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:
dreax ha scritto: I_have_a_bad_feeling ha scritto: ...sotto moon effect è una montagna non base Leggendaria. Questa frase mi fa sorgere un dubbio... se in gioco ho una flagstone di trokair e gioco una [card]Accademia di Tolaria[/card], in gioco ho due montagne non base Leggendarie e quindi si spaccano? non dovrebbero xke sono permanenti leggendari con due nomi diversi. Blood moon cambia il sottotipo, non il nome della carta.

Autore:	Kiska Ra [ lun 28 dic 2009, 11:39 ]
Oggetto del messaggio:
Le Flagstones si spaccano perchè sono leggendarie, ma avendo lasciato il gioco come Montagne, non cerchi nessuna Pianura. Cita: Flagstones of Trokair Legendary Land - Mountain Tap: Add to your mana pool Quando un secondo Lastricato entra nel campo di battaglia, il gioco vede che ci sono due terre leggendarie con lo stesso nome, che vengono quindi messe nel cimitero. Siccome le abilità innescate si basano sulla situazione che esisteva al momento dell'innesco, nessuno può cercare le sue Pianure perchè nessuno dei due Lastricati aveva quell'abilità quando era in gioco Blood Moon. Cita: 410.10c. Leaves-play abilities trigger when a permanent leaves the in-play zone. These are written as, but aren't limited to, "When [this object] leaves play, . . ." or "Whenever [something] is put into a graveyard from play, . . . ." An ability that attempts to do something to the card that left play checks for it only in the first zone that it went to. Cita: 410.10d. Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities must be treated specially because the object with the ability may no longer be in play, may have moved to a hand or library, or may no longer be controlled by the appropriate player. The game has to "look back in time" to determine if these abilities trigger. Abilities that trigger specifically when an object leaves play, when an object is put into a hand or library from a public zone, or when a player loses control of an object will trigger based on their existence, and the appearance of objects, prior to the event rather than afterward. Cita: 420.5. The state-based effects are as follows: 420.5e. If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are in play, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply. Cita: 212.6h. If an effect changes a land's subtype to one or more of the basic land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses all abilities generated from its rules text and its old land types, and it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type. Note that this doesn't remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other effects. Changing a land's subtype doesn't add or remove any card types (such as creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow) the land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land types and mana abilities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dreax ha scritto: Questa frase mi fa sorgere un dubbio... se in gioco ho una flagstone di trokair e gioco una [card]Accademia di Tolaria[/card], in gioco ho due montagne non base Leggendarie e quindi si spaccano? Cita: Q: If I put Blood Moon into play, and there are multiple Legendary lands of different types in play, what happens? A: Blood Moon does not change the names of non-basic lands in play. It gives the these lands the sub-type of Mountain. This means that they will lose their other abilities and gain the ability to generate red mana. However, they will keep their legendary status and their normal names. So any Legendary lands in play will remain in play. ======> http://www.starcitygames.com/pages/judg ... Blood+Moon <======

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