Hi to everyone,

First of all, let me introduce myself. I’m Jordi Amat, aka piZZero, from Barcelona (Spain). I’m a quite known player and collector among the vintage community, some of you might even know me from the MTG Gamblers Tournament in Valencia. I remember I met in person quite a lot of Italians, such as Partizan, who I consider a nice guy even after what happened with the Quirion Dryads

Anyways, I’m writing this post to let you know that Alessandro Bazzoli, aka Yawgmoth’s Grill is an scammer. Yes, an SCAMMER AND A THIEF. Let me explain what happened starting back when I met him in Valencia.

At some point of that tournament, Alessandro saw me playing with my deck, that includes plenty of signed cards. At the end of the event, we had a nice talk, and he seemed a nice guy to me. He asked if I would sell him some of my stuff, such as my Beta Signed Demonic, my playset of FoW’s signed/altered my Signed Foil Jap Tinker, etc… As he was showing lot of interest, I end up selling some of my cards for a nice amount of cash. We talked long about pimp cards, etc… and we end up exchanging MSN and emails.

Once the tournament ended, back at home, we start having a normal relation through MSN. We spoke about cards, and showed each other what new pimp things we were getting. At some point, as he told me he had some of his signed power on sale/trade, I make him an offer for his double signed Beta Black Lotus. For his Lotus, I was giving him, my Beta Black Lotus (in a similar or even better condition) + a playset of Antiquities Mishra’s Factory (all winter picture) and all signed in black by Kaja Foglio.

His Black Lotus:

You can also see the lotus with his new moxes... here.

My Black Lotus + 4 Mishra's Signed:

You can also see my lotus with the rest of my power9 here.

He accepted the deal, so we proceed to send the cards through private shipping companies to make sure the envelop would arrive to its destination no matter what. I, spent almost 60€ to send the cards. Those 60€ included an insurance that would cover up to 1500€ in case of the cards being lost. On 21st of December 2007 my Beta Black Lotus + 4 Mishra’s depart to Italy. The same day, I spoke to Alessandro through MSN and he told me he’d also sent the cards.

So far, everything is OK. With the Italian Shipping Strike, that he told me, going on I expected the cards to arrive a bit later than usual. After New Years Eve, I start to worry coz my cards hadn’t arrived to Italy yet, so I contact MRW (the shipping company I used), to track the item down. They told me that the envelop is in Italy and will be delivered very soon. I also gave them the telephone number from Alessandro, so they can reach him and give him the envelop.

On the 2nd of January 2008, Alessandro receives the package and contacts me. He says that the envelop was empty. I answered him that it’s impossible, and he tells me that when he opened the envelop there was nothing inside (Notice that he said that he opened the envelop himself). I instantly call to MRW to tell them what happened and see if they can give me an explanation to the situation. The director of the MRW office that I went tells me he’s gonna start an investigation on the problem. So I let Alessandro know that MRW is working on it and I ask him to take some pictures of the envelopes (which he actually does take and send me). I answer his mail with the pictures with this mail:



These are the pictures he sent me of the envelop opened by him:



After January 2nd, Alessandro disappears from MSN, and he’s not answering my mails. He’s totally offline for 1 week. During that week, I had the chance to worry about the Black Lotus he actually had to send me, so as I see that he’s given me no information about it, I’ll start to do some research. I found this other topic about Alessandro on here, at Tipo1.it that makes me worry a lot. I speak with Tropporico and ask him if Alessandro is a person I could trust with. He makes me some resume of the post about him and tells me that he’s also had some problems with him, for paying really, really late. SO, at this point, I’m officially worried.

Also, during this period of time, I contacted the lawyer my family has and explained him what happens. He tells me I shouldn’t worry, coz no matter what, if the package was closed when he received it, and as he signed to receive it, he must have the cards according to the MRW Director. The same day I spoke to my lawyer, I received a call from the director of MRW again, and he invites me to go to the Central Office to speak with him. In there, I have the chance to see an envelop like the one my Black Lotus was shipped in, and I can assure that once those envelope get closed, you need to either cut it, or break it to get the content from the inside.

One week after, on the 9th of January, Alessandro finally comes online. I greet him politely, and he tells me that the envelop he sent to me has been returned and that he had to pay for the shipping back to Italy. I start to think that what he’s saying is totally bullshit so I let him know what’s gonna be like. So, this is how the conversation proceeds:



This was the last time I spoke to him, he hasn’t appeared online yet and I guess he won’t do it for a long time trying to avoid me. I’d like you to read the conversation carefully as you can clearly see that Alessandro evens wants to send me “another lotus” so we can finish with our relation (a Lotus, that would never arrive of course). This was a clear symptom of weakness, as it also was the answer to my final proposition when I tell him that he has 2 days to send me what he has to send me.

Anyways, right now, my lawyer is already working on all the process to report him to the Italian Police and he’s gonna present charges for stealing plus fraud to MRW. MRW is already cooperating in all this, because my lawyer let them know what Alessandro was planning to do.

If any of you knows Alessandro in person, I’d like you to let him know that he’s going to deal with a BIG BIG BIG problem now. I am planning to visit him at his place one of this days (maybe the police will come before, I don’t know yet), and I hope to meet him. If not, I’d be honored to meet his family and explain his father what his son is doing and I’ll show the demand I’ve put on him, and the demand that MRW has put on him for fraud attempt.

I would consider putting an end to this hunting if one of these days I receive an envelop with what is mine.

I hope you guys can help me by helping him understand what’s he’s doing, and what he’s gonna have to deal with.

My best and most kind regards to all the Italian Community,

piZZero - Jordi Amat

PD: If any of you wants to contact me, feel free to send me a PM.
PD2: Alessandro, be careful man. You know where to contact me and if there's anything you want to say, you still can.

Prima cosa non sono il diavolo.

Ho detto la faccenda ad un sacco di persone tra le quali Come Back, Power9man, Kaiser_soze e a Kalle.


A me sta roba non è proprio arrivata quindi se vuole io gli posso mandare al max la ricevuta dell'ordine di invio del mio.

Non ho intenzione di sborsare altri soldi e piuttosto stavolta mi faccio ammazzare.

Perchè non mi venite a dire che è la sfiga perchè non ci posso credere.

Raven dimmi tu la tua opinione, se devo tirare via dei soldi piuttosto smetto xkè mi girano i coglioni per pagare per cose che non ho fatto, con gli altri ho risolto qui non c'è verso di farmi pagare.

Poi con Jordi parlerò ancora ma stasera esco e non posso rispondere.

Raven se hai bisogno di me ti do anche il mio numero di telefono.

con l'intento di prevenire possibili flames e discussioni da bar ke immancabilmente si vengono a creare in casi come questi, prego kiunque sia estraneo alla faccenda (ovvero KIUNQUE, visto ke il problema riguarda yawgmoth grill e jordi) di astenersi dal fornire un'opinione non rikiesta


EDIT BY Wolf: moved in "Secure Trading" section (more appropriate).

A far mangiare i denti alle Gente noi del miracolus ci mettiamo poco

I try to explain my opinion, your shipping arrive with 12/13 days of delay, the TNT envelepo is rub, i put my signature and open the first envelope, then the second with a scissors and inside there is anything.

I know is an exceptional event but i speak with two or three people happened the same event with a courier shipping.

My shipping is return to me, if you want i send you my shipping order but i don't want resend my Lotus because i don't waste 1200/1300 euro in the thrashcan.

Tell me what do you think, i wait your answer.


Dalla mia ho solo il documento della spedizione e la mia parola e lui uguale, adesso so che la mia credibilità ha risentito degli eventi successi che hanno portato al ban ma perfavore pensate che non posso veramente trassare ogni persona che conosco passata e futura.

This is what i think:

You can't provide any of the following information:

• Picture with the bill from your Black Lotus shipped to Spain.
• As it was an insured shipping, you must have the insurance, right?
• Tracking number of the shipped item to Spain.
• Name and phone number of the company you used to send me the Black Lotus. (so i can call them myself and asked if on the 22nd of December 2007 Alessandro Bazzoli sent an item to Spain to me).
• Picture of the RETURNED Black Lotus from Spain to you (that supposedly costed you 35€, so you should have a bill of that too, right?).

All these are things you should be able to share with us, so start posting pictures if you have any.

I keep on telling you what i think:



If it took 12 days to arrive, it was due to Christmass and the italian shipping companies strike, not my fault. The envelop arrived, and that's what matters.

You oppened the MRW envelop with a scissors (as it can be seen in the pictures i've posted before). That means that the envelop was untouched before you opened it. As i've told you and i've also said so in here, I went myself in person to the MRW headquarter offices and spoke with the person in charge of the International Shipping Department. I, myself, had the chance to close an envelope exactly like the one that was shipped to you. I closed it with my hands, and then tried to open it. It's impossible to open one of these envelops without cutting or breaking it. You can ask other dealers, that also use this type of envelops, how safe and secure they are.

I feel sorry for you Alessandro, but it's clear that you have my cards and that you've never sent your lotus. If there's any dignity left inside of you, do what you have to do: Take your Lotus (or mine + 4 Mishra's), go to the post office, send me the cards, take pictures of the bill and the tracking number (with a telephone so i can contact them in case of problem), and then with all that, open your MSN and apologize to me and provide all the pictures and information i need to have.

If not, you know what i'm capable of. So be ready to deal with the police, the law, courts, etc... coz i'll do anything i can to make you pay for what you've stolen.

Tommorow i send my documents and so on.

I speak with a mailbox etc officer and told me that you can call courier and make a claim and ups open an enquiry to resolve the disservice. Ups commis to an inspector to catch responsibility.

Please open a claim.

I apologize for the situation, i hope to resolve in a few times the trade and courier give you money back.


Allora ho parlato con un commesso del corriere e mi ha detto di aprire un reclamo ufficiale che faranno un indagine e rimborseranno in base all'assicurazione dopo aver capito cosa è successo.

Mi dispiace essere ancora in questa sezione ma mi aggraperò con denti e unghie per risolverla senza perderci nulla.

Intervengo per chiarire la mia chiamata in causa.
Io non sapevo nulla della vicenda fino a quando non ho letto questo thread.
Grill mi chiese qualche tempo fa se mi fosse mai capitato di ricevere una busta già aperta da un corriere.
Gli risposi che mi capitò di ricevere buste aperte dalle poste normale, ma che non capitò mai con un corriere.
Altro non so.


I want to explain my position, since I was named by Grill.
I didn't know anything about these facts until I read this thread.
Grill asked me some time ago if it ever happend to me to receive an opened envelope from a courier.
I answered him that I did receive opened envelopes from regular post services, but it never happened to me such a thing from a courier.
That's all.

Kalle, Il -->
PAL-LI-NO! PAL-LI-NO!

Well, now it's my time to explain what i think about this story.

I'm the other guy that in the past has opened a thread against Grill and i know actually the grill's position in this forum.

After 11 years of trading online, i know many methods to rip someone, since i was incurred in a lot of cases.

In this case, i can see a similar case like one were i was incurred in the past.

The sender (piZZero) has sent a shipment without including the lotus into the envelope.
This is what i can think about this situation.
There also be the chance that Grill has received the Lotus and after that, has contacted you and tell you the story of the envelope.
I can believe in piZZero and i can believe in Grill too.

Now you (piZZero) can do this:
1)you told that the weight of the envelope was the same at the moment of shipping and when Grill has received the envelope. Ok, could you write here how much was the weight of the envelope ? Also, how you know that the weight was the same when Grill has received it? Grill has still everything in his hands. it's easy to make a control with a balance.

Also...
In this moment you've lost 1 Black Lotus and 4 Mishra's Factory AQ right ?
Since you've shipped insured, why don't you open a claim for item damaged ?
I don't see any value declaration on your form on the envelope that Alessandro (Grill) has received.
If you open a claim you can have back your money right ? or, if you don't want back your money, you can send the money to Alessandro and you get the Double Signed Lotus from Grill.

Anyway, there should be a lot of methods to solve this situation.
I hope that the parts in question will have the intelligence to resolve the trouble.
I know Alessandro (Grill) and i still have transaction with him.
I don't know piZZero personally but i think that it should be a good guy.

I know that Alessandro will be banned from tipo1.it and all the magic forums. I know that he can be disappointed about this, but i think that if he will be banned, he won't cry for this. The life is different, Magic is not the life.

However, piZZero, for your safety and for close this bad experience as i have had in the past with Grill, go to the shipping courier and open a claim for damaged items, so you can be refunded.

This is only my point of view, so take care of my words.
Power9man


Ragazzi, non traduco in italiano, tanto sapete leggere tutti l'inglese
(Guys, i don't want to make a translation, since all here are able to read english...)

Yawgmoth's Grill é GAY!

Le mie refs: http://www.magicfriends.net/forum/feedb ... =Power9man

Thanks a lot for your opinion. I really apreciate your words and i'm gonna try to answer your questions.



The employee that attended me when i went to send the cards, saw the Black Lotus + 4 Mishra's. She asked what they were, so she could do the insurance. She put the cards herself in the bubble envelop i provided her (one of those brown ones), and then she put that in the sealed envelop they use in MRW (the ones you can't open unless cut or break). If needed, i can provide with the testimony of the employee so she (it was a woman) can say that the cards were inside and shipped.




According to the MRW director, the weight tests are made when they ship items with insurances that are really high. As this was one of the cases, they weighted the envelop here in Barcelona, in Madrid, and in Milan. They do that to make sure that there's no problem, so if they detect any problem during the sending period they can easyly track it down. I don't have the exact weight, but i'm sure i can get it if i ask the MRW person that did the investigation about the matter.



I already opened the claim, but as i was told by the MRW director, i'm not going to get any money from the insurance as the item was recieved in perfect conditions by Alessandro Bazzoli. As i've explained before, MRW guarantees that the envelops can't be opened unless cut or broken. Alessandro, had already said that he opened the envelop himself with scissors, and that means the cards were inside.




I haven't posted the bill i got from MRW, coz my personal information appears on it. On it, you can see the value declared of the cards inside the envelop. As soon as i get home, i'll make an scann of it and share it.



As i've already said, i'm not going to get any money from the insurance. The item arrived in perfect condition, Alessandro signed when he got it, and he opened it himself.



Getting banned from every internet forum was his choice. I told him, he could choose and i gave him a chance, but he chosed to keep on going with his lies. So now, he's not only gonna get banned on all forums, but he's also gonna have to deal with many other things. He might not cry for this, but i can asure you that i'll do what's in my hands to take this scammer down.

Yes is a possibility but i fight to justify me, you can take any things but i don't give any money. Our position is the same: we have testimony, we can attest the shipping with document or form. The only difference is the reliability of us.

Here many people believe to you and others believe to me.

SO the resolution is far away but i hope come to us.

The difference between you and me, is that i can provide any information needed, and you still haven't provided me with any. I asked for some info you should be able to provide, as a reminder:

• Picture with the bill from your Black Lotus shipped to Spain.
• As it was an insured shipping, you must have the insurance, right?
• Tracking number of the shipped item to Spain.
• Name and phone number of the company you used to send me the Black Lotus. (so i can call them myself and asked if on the 22nd of December 2007 Alessandro Bazzoli sent an item to Spain to me).
• Picture of the RETURNED Black Lotus from Spain to you (that supposedly costed you 35€, so you should have a bill of that too, right?).

For example, why can't you even name the company you shipped your Lotus with? And of course, you can't provide me with the tracking number, so i can call your shipping company and ask about the records on the shipped item (that according to you was returned and you had to pay 35€).

Alessandro, it's amazing you still think that you can fool me. All you say is crap and you can't provide any information. Yesterday you said you would post today the pictures I asked. Where are they?

You keep talking about "the resolution", don't you realize that the only thing that is going to happen here is that you're going to be in a huge problem?